List ascent

See also: Ascent

A list of ascent is used, in Généalogie, to bring together the various ancestors of a person in a presentation more compact than that of the tables of ascent.

Taking into account the inevitable gaps which arise, one time or another, in the “genealogy” of each one, a great number of genealogists prefer to use, even in their daily research, the system of the numerical list of ascent, in which the subject and its ancestors are introduced in the order of the Numérotation of Sosa-Stradonitz.

Disadvantages and advantages

This system, unlike the tables of ascent, presents the disadvantage of not allowing the visualization of the family ties between the ancestors of the various degrees. However, the majority of the genealogists quickly integrate the reflex to locate the child or the parents of such person. It is for example easy to calculate head, for a 733, qu ancestor ' she is girl of 1466 and 1467, and itself marries of 732 and mother of 366 (733 - 1 = 732. 732/2 = 366).

The presentation in list brings certain advantages: confronted with one or more not identified ancestors, the genealogist quite simply omits them in his list. For example, with the 13th degree, one will be able to have couple 8192-8193 directly followed by the couple 10544-10545.

Moreover, taking into account the marriages between blood relations, which involve, in all the families, the presence of several same ancestors in different places, if couple 4096-4097 is the same one as couple 4564-4565 and than couple 5688-5689, one will keep the complete informations with the smallest numbers, while for the following “doubled blooms”, one will list simply 4564 = 4096,4565 = 4097,5688 = 4096 and 5689 = 4097.

Some, but it is not a generalized use, will then abstain from further listing possible ancestors 9128,9129,9130,9131,11376,11377,11378,11379 and their respective ancestors when they are known. Others prefer to list the “multiple” ancestors with each one of their “places of appearance” in the large farandole of the aïeux one. It is only one personal choice.

It is obvious that, for example in case of genealogies royal, where the marriages between blood relations are more frequent than in the “modest” mediums more (and for which one has more and older sources), to index each ancestor with each one of his “places of appearance” would be tiresome: the king Louis IX of France appears for example hundreds of times in the genealogy of various the Capétiens current (Bourbons, Orleans, etc). In a “modest” genealogy more, one will frequently meet couples or people appearing two, three, four or one ten time, but hardly often more.

Possible alternatives

The presentation of the list of ascent can undergo some alternatives:

  • the “rough” list:

1: subject
2: father
3: mother
4: paternal grandfather
5: paternal grandmother
6: maternal grandfather
7: maternal grandmother
8: father of 4
9: mother of 4
10: father of 5
11: mother of 5
12: father of 6
13: mother of 6
14: father of 7
15: mother of 7
etc

  • the list with degrees of ascent and separating line space enters the couples for legibility:

Prone (degree “zero”)
1: subject

First degree of ascent:

2: father
3: mother

Second degree of ascent:

4: paternal grandfather
5: paternal grandmother

6: maternal grandfather

7: maternal grandmother

Third degree of ascent:

8: father of 4
9: mother of 4

10: father of 5

11: mother of 5

12: father of 6

13: mother of 6

14: father of 7

15: mother of 7

etc

There too, as within the framework of the tables of ascent, of many contemporary genealogists do not hold any account of the scheduling of the degrees related to the powers of 2, bases system known as of Sosa-Stradonitz.

Concrete examples

List tabulée

The heading concerning each couple can be presented in a kind of simplified table (in practice, the line of titles of columns will not appear for each couple, but will be given either once and for all to the beginning of the list - the most frequent case -, or repeated in heading of each page of the list):

To note that, most of the time, the French genealogists adopt, in the lists of ascent not written, a presentation of the dates in the form jj/mm/aaaa, which allows a “alignment” of this type of data in the columns or the lists.

The relative informations with the marriage can be repeated on the line of each husband, confined with the line of the husband or amalgamated in a total box for the two husbands:

If there are many first names, or if the names of locality are very long, one can consider the fractionation of information for each person on two or three lines:

Let us announce a very frequent use among the genealogists French, which consists in listing the people by stating the family name of the person initially, and by registering it in capitals, and to summarize the department by its mineralogical code. The preceding table becomes:

Those which estimate that the presentation of family names in capital letters is not in conformity with the traditional French typography always have the resource, to emphasize family name, to write it in bold characters , some is the order of stating of the first name unit/family name.

List written

The heading concerning a couple can perfectly be “written”, by including various relative data with each person (dcès and dates and birthplaces, professions, titles, residences, dates and places of the marriage, the divorce).

N° 204, Lambert Noisez , turner out of wooden, born on August 23rd, 1765 in Felleries (Northern), dead on September 3rd, 1842 (id.), married, on June 25th, 1788 (id.): n° 205, Gertrude Companies , born on July 11th, 1761 (id.), dead on May 1st, 1833 (id.)

The headings concerning a couple can moreover be followed, which is realizable with more difficulty, and less readable, with the version “in table”, of the brief list of the children of the couple, while adding to the need for the withdrawals for the clearness of the reading:

N° 204, Lambert Noisez , turner out of wooden, born on August 23rd, 1765 in Felleries (Northern), dead on September 3rd, 1842 (id.), married, on June 25th, 1788 (id.): n° 205, Gertrude Companies , born on July 11th, 1761 (id.), dead on May 1st, 1833 (id.), union from which are resulting:

*Marie Christine Noisez (1789-1868), X 1809/1819 Célestin Hersois
*Étienne Lambert Noisez (1791-?)
*Marie Rose Noisez (1794-1794)
*Marie Josèphe Noisez (1794-?), perhaps identical to the preceding one
*Marie Ursule Noisez (1798-apr. 1829), X 1822 Siméon Joseph Godebille
*Joachime Noisez (1799-1832), X 1828 Xavier Piraux
* (n° 102) Jean-Baptiste Noisez (Noiset) (1802-1879), X 1826 (n° 103) Amélie Sandrart
*Lambert Noisez (1806-1851), X 1829 Marie Marguerite Godebille

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